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The MVP of the Bobcats for 2007-08 04/17/2008 When John Hollinger was breaking down the Mike Bibby trade for ESPN a couple of months ago, he made a remark that caught my eye: A basic rule of thumb is that every additional point of PER is worth one additional win over 2,000 minutes.While PER is not a perfect measurement, due to its inability to properly guage defensive contributions, it still serves a role in analyzing player performance. So, when I started thinking about how to guage which Bobcat was most valuable this year, an easy way to do so jumped out me: Calculate the wins each player's performance (and mintues) added to the team over the course of the season (relative to an "average" player, which in PER corresponds to a PER of 15). Given that one player led the team in both minutes and PER for the season, it is not hard to tell where this first list is going to lead us. But here it is any.
You may have noticed that only 4 Bobcats actually contributed "wins" on the season - and certainly not enough to outweight the "contributions" (I would use air-quotes if I were talking to someone face to face) of everyone else. By this measure, Jason Richardson is the clear MVP of the team (and Jeff McInnis...I can not even do it, I have reached a point where I do not even feel like pointing out his negative impact this season). But like I mentioned previously, PER does not measure defense...but if you had the PER put up by the man each Bobcats was guarding? That might be useful...and 82games.com has just that. So, now how about a look at Defensive Wins Created (using the same basic setup as for a player's own PER).
Surprised? I was too - though, part of that was the players who did not get many minutes were spared greater embarassment in both of these tables (do not worry, I will fix that). Another part? Quality of the opponent faced - something tells me Jason, Gerald, and Emeka were getting their minutes against better opposition than say, Ryan Hollins and Othella - so, these results need to be taken with a grain of salt. With that said - I would have to say the clear defensive MVP is...Raymond Felton. After commenting about his defense in the links the other day, I guess I cannot be too shocked, at least not by his performance. But I was stunned by where Gerald and Emeka placed. Two of supposed better defenders...and they are getting pretty well abused by the guys they guard? Not sure I want to think about that more right now. So, time for one more table. In this one, I look at the difference between a player's PER and the man he was guarding to get the Net Per, and then I used that to calculate out the impact to a full-season's worth of minutes. No more hiding behind only 267 minutes played Primoz - your ineptitude will be demonstrated. And here it is:
What do we have? One Bobcat player who (by the measure of PER) was better than their opposition over the course of the season. I guess that makes Jason Richardson the Bobcats MVP, along with Raymond Felton as the Bobcats Defensive MVP. As for the LVP, I am having a hard time decided between Primoz and Jeff - Primoz was far worse in the time he actually player - but Jeff hurt the team a great deal more due to number of minutes he go (not his fault the coaches continue to see Felton as a SG, who cannot shoot). I think I have to go with Jeff though - basically he was the difference between where the team finished and the playoffs (his -6 wins created on the season, with the Bobcats finishing 5 games back of the 8th spot) - not sure if you can get much less valuable than that. Unless you start talking about the people who signed/played him... Click here to comment/view comments for this post. 04/15/2008 Yes, I remember that the last post I did was also "only" a links post - that is why I am going to be offering a bit more analysis of the provided links, so you can get your money's worth this time: Wages of Wins looks at the Cats regression - and blames it on...Raymond Felton. Really - by his stat, WP48 (Wins Produced per 48 Minutes), Raymond has declined from average, to poor, to bad over his 3 seasons. Also, it is noted that Emeka, Carroll, and Gerald all offered less this season - and I can agree with the reasons Berri came to for the 3 except for Gerald. He blamed Gerald's drop in production on injury - but since Gerald's injury woes did not strike until February this year, that does not explain his performance up to then. I looked at this way back in December (see here) and it never really changed this year. Is Chris Paul bad at defense?. The answer might be yes, after the numbers were looked at. What does this have to do the with the Bobcats, you ask? Well, since my first link dumped on Felton after my post about his offensive shortcomings last week - this post gave me a good opportunity to commend Felton for something. Unlike Paul, with Felton on the court, the Bobcats are actually better off defensively, improving from 108.4 points per 100 poss without him to 106.8 with him on the court. Even better? He does a very solid job on the man he is guarding (when playing the point), according to 82games.com - Felton holds his man to a 45.4% EFG% and a PER of 14.4. Those numbers would put him right at the top of the lists used in the CP3 defense post. Good work, Ray.Click here to comment/view comments for this post. 04/11/2008 A couple of links for you to checkout: Empty the Bench looks at the Bobcats - and does not like much of what they see. A fairly comprehensive breakdown of the team (along with some quotes from me that I put together while watching last night's not quite up to expectations Golden State/Denver tilt). Make your Windows-based computer a shrine to the Bobcats. No, seriously. I got an email from a pr person about this - I have not received a copy for free or any monetary gains - it just seems kind of cool. So give it a shot and let me know what you think (I have not used it, I cannot give it a full-recommendation - just to say that it looks intriguing).Click here to comment/view comments for this post. Everybody Loves Raymond...but why? 04/09/2008 From John Hollinger's outlook on 2007-08 for Raymond Felton: Felton figures to take another step forward this season, as even if his finishing troubles persist, his outside shot should continue developing...the Bobcats have added enough scoring that he can focus on the drive-and-dish rather than driving for his own offense...All told, if you're looking for a breakout player this year, you could do a lot worse.I believed it - Felton would take a big step forward this year, start to live up to his lofty draft status, and narrow the gap between himself and his fellow draftmates, Chris Paul and Deron Williams. The good news? I did not have any money riding on such an outcome - but the Bobcats did (and will continue to), with 3 years of mediocrity (from Raymond - that would be far too generous for the team) to show for it. You may think I am being too hard on Raymond. If so, then go look at his Per 36 minutes Numbers and Advanced Stats from Basketball-Reference.com. What you will see is a player who has made very little improvement over the last 3 years. His shooting percentage continues to hover around 40% (he has made a slight improvement this year - but not as helpful as you might think - I will break it down further later). His assist totals and assist rate have been stagnant and his effort on the boards has actually gotten worse with each year. While his turnovers are down slightly for the year, his turnover rate is actually still worse than his rookie season - he just has the ball in his hands a bit less this year. I mentioned his woeful shooting percentage - you would think someone who shot that poorly would not shoot often. Or you would hope it anyway. Felton, however, is third on the team (among regulars) in attempts per 40 minutes though. See the table below.
His number of attemps seems to be out of line with his effectiveness in taking them. It would benefit the team a good deal if Emeka, Matt, and Jared were getting a couple of those shots that Raymond is taking. At this point, you say, "It is Sam Vincent's fault: He was playing Felton at the 2 with McInnis most of the season." You would have a point - except Felton's attempts per 40 minutes are up to 14.4 since McInnis left the team and Raymond moved to almost exclusively the point. Raymond seems to love to/being told to shoot, a lot. Here are some more Raymond shooting numbers to digest: 1. His 3 point field goal % has dropped each year in the league: From 35.8% to 33.0% to 28.4% this year. The good news? He is taking fewer. The bad news? Because he is taking fewer (and making fewer) threes, his effective field goal % has actually decreased since his rookie year, from 44.6% then to 43.8% now. In a nutshell, he is scoring fewer points per attempt now, despite a slightly improved field goal % overall. 2. Raymond gets to the basket very well - and shoots horrendously when he gets there. Raymond takes 33% of his attempts from in close - comparable to point guards like Baron Davis (32%), Deron Williams (37%), and Andre Miller (32%). The difference? They all have an effective field goal % on those attempts of at least 10% higher than Raymond: Baron is at 59.4% from in close, Deron 61.5%, and Andre, a ridiculous 62.8% - while Raymond flounders at 49.2%. (All numbers from 82games.com) Being able to penetrate is great - one of Raymond's greatest attributes is his quickness - but if he cannot convert at a better rate, he is actually hurting the team by taking these shots. 3. Raymond gets his share of whistles. To stick with the comparable point guards (and to show that they are not padding their EFG% with trips to the line, compared to Raymond), Raymond does alright when it comes to drawing fouls on his drives. For the year, he has drawn fouls on 9.8% of his FGA, while Baron is at 10.6%, Andre 10.9%, and Deron an impressive 13.8%. That 1% (or even 4%) difference is not the 10% difference in EFG%. So, the good news from this? Raymond seems to get a reasonable level of respect from the refs on his drives. 4. Felton is improving at least one thing: Scoring from in close. What?! The last two bullets were about how horrible Raymond is at just this, and now I am going to claim that he is getting better? Well, yes, because he has improved this year - a great deal actually. Last year, those same numbers were 45.5% EFG% on shots from in close, and a foul drawn rate of 8.6%. So, it seems that Raymond is making the effort to better this area of his game - though... 5. That improvement seems to be at the expense of his jump shot - which has abandoned Ray. All the time Raymond seems to have spent last summer on scoring in the lane seems to have come during his normal time for taking jumpers, as he is beyond bad this year when taking a jump shot: 41.0% EFG% - down from 42.3% last year, and even further down from the 44.9% of his rookie year. This probably goes back to his declining 3 point FG% - but it would seem that he might want to split his practice time a bit more this off-season. I think I have made my point - Raymond does not score well and the team would be better off if he took fewer shots until that area of his game improved. Does this mean I think the team should bench him, trade him, or let him go? No - not at all - but I wanted to take a closer look at some of these aspects of his game. Let me close with this: I do think Raymond can be an effective/solid NBA point guard for a playoff caliber team. As I said earlier, he possesses good quickness, is a solid passer (7.2 assists per game is not bad, currently good for 9th in the league), and is solid with the ball (he is comparable to those same 3 point guards in Assists per Bad Pass - slightly lower, but comparable nonetheless). The good news? Raymond is still young - and does seem to be working to get better. Just remember: Chauncey Billups was another lottery pick point guard who started his career with only so-so results - players can and do improve. We can only hope that Raymond continues to pursue perfection in his craft. Click here to comment/view comments for this post. 04/08/2008 I am keeping this one short and sweet...or just short. This post is just a companion piece to a blog post from Rick Bonnell, "Call it an Okafor effect: Winning". Bonnell points out the Bobcats have been winning lately when Okafor has been shooting more: In each of four recent games (Memphis, Indiana, Miami, Utah) Okafor took six or fewer shots. The record in those games: 1-3. In each of the past three games, he took 11 or more shots. The record in those games: 3-0...Whatever the cause or causes, it comes down to this: When the Bobcats don’t throw the ball inside, making defenses contract, they stop being efficient offensively.To me, just throwing it out there without the numbers does not seem right. Maybe the team won in spite of Okafor shooting more and lost due to other factors. Or maybe Bonnell is right. Either way, it made me curious to see what effect Emeka's shooting more (or less) had on the offense. And here are the numbers (Efficiency in points per 100 possessions):
Looks like Bonnell was correct - it makes sense that the more shots your 2nd (or 3rd - depends on if you actually think Ryan Hollins could maintain his current efficiency given more opportunities - I would lean towards no) most efficienct scorer takes, the better off the offense will be. Since I brought it up, here is the team, in order of points per field goal attempt:
Seeing those numbers just furthers my resolve to write my next post about "Everybody loves" Raymond Felton (if you read that and pretended Chris Berman was saying it, you would have enjoyed it more). Raymond is pretty far down that list for someone who shoots as often as he does. More to come on that. Click here to comment/view comments for this post. Bloggers Pick MVP and ROY - Round 10 04/07/2008 It does not happen often...but this post will have nothing to do with the Bobcats (unfortunately, Jared Dudley did not manage to get a single vote for Rookie of the year). Today, Queen City Hoops is hosting the rotating "Blogger MVP/ROY Ranking - Round 10". For those unfamiliar, here are the ground rules: Bloggers submit their top 10 MVP candidates, and top 5 ROY candidates. Points are then awarded on a sliding scale - 1st place vote = 10 points, 2nd place = 9 points,..., 10th place = 1 point for MVP balloting, and for the rooks, 1st place = 5 points and so on. Jamario Moon, 18; Glen Davis, 5; Joakim Noah, 4; Carl Landry, 2; Juan Carlos Navarro, 2; Aaron Gray, 1; Yi Jianlian, 15. Thaddeus Young (20 points, 9 votes) On track to be Pennsylvania's most famous "Thaddeus" since Rep. Stevens (1792-1868); may not have as cool a nickname ("The dictator of the house")4. Al Thornton (24 points, 13 votes) Because of his age (24), I'm *not* going to put the ceiling much higher for this guy. He'll replace Maggette well, though.3. Luis Scola (51 points, 18 votes - 1 1st) Steadily producing points and rebounds on a playoff-bound team.2. Al Horford (86 points, 20 votes - 9 1st) (The first quote for Scola would fit nicely here, as well - granted it is the East - no need to worry, aptly captured in the following:)1. Kevin Durant (86 points, 20 votes - 10 1st) (I gave Durant solo billing in the top spot due to his higher number of 1st place votes...and the fact that he just finished dropping 37, 9, and 8 in a win over Denver) Pretty solid rookie class, and even more so when you consider that the number 1 pick is only playing pickup games right now. I would have loved to put a vote down for Jared at the bottom of my list, but could not do it - too many other guys were deserving, as seen by all the talent in the "Other receiving votes" category. But, enough with the pre-game, on to the real reason you are here: Most Valuable Player Also Receiving Points Deron Williams, 30; Chauncey Billups, 23; Tracy McGrady, 15; Baron Davis, 14; Carlos Boozer, 8; Chris Bosh, 8; Rasheed Wallace, 3; Brandon Roy, 2; Paul Pierce, 2; Al Jefferson, 1; Allen Iverson, 1; Andrew Bogut, 1; Antawn Jamison, 1; Caron Butler, 1; Chris Kaman, 1; Shaquille O'Neal, 1; Kevin McHale/Chris Wallace, 1;10. Dirk Nowitzki (33 points, 9 votes) In many ways, I almost feel that he’s more of an MVP candidate this year than last. Without him, the Mavs look a mess and all year he’s carried a Dallas team that’s looked like a shell of its former self.9. Amare Stoudemire (37 points, 9 votes) Having a great year, but the MVP can't...be MVP-caliber only for 25 games.8. Manu Ginobili (40 points, 10 votes) Versatile, talented, committed on defense, surprisingly quick. Possibly the best player in the game at annoying other team's fans. That's got to count for something, right?7. Tim Duncan (45 points, 11 votes) The most consistent player on the most consistently good team for the past 10 seasons. He may be boring, but amazingly effective as well.6. Steve Nash (60 points, 14 votes) STAT is starting to get the pub, but Nash has been the rock for the Suns all season.5. Dwight Howard (104 points, 19 votes) In a league where the big man appeared to be going extinct, Dwight Howard has revitalized the center position and become the most dominant low-post player in the NBA. His game isn’t perfect, but his defense is much improved and there may not be a more difficult player to man up with in the post.4. Kevin Garnett (150 points, 20 votes - 1st) Has really changed the thought process at Boston, but – what? – you want to award a guy the MVP for getting the other Celtics to play the way they're supposed to?3. LeBron James (155 points, 20 votes - 1 1st) His better keeps getting better.2. Kobe Bryant (172 points, 20 votes - 5 1st) Still the best player in the NBA1. Chris Paul (191 points, 20 votes - 13 1st) Leads the league in assists and steals, and the ultra-competitive Western Conference in the most important category: wins. CP3 is the epitome of what a Most Valuable Player should be.After an early season strangle hold on the "award", LeBron is getting very close to not even being in the top 3. Are we taking him for granted already? Just kidding - winning matters - and I would say that the right 3 are at the top, order to be determined over these last few games. It has been an amazing season, and whoever takes the award home this year will be able to say that they won it in one of the toughest fields of all time (so I hear anyway - being a child of the 80s, I can only have so much world perspective). With that, I am out. If you are curious how the voting has gone throughout the season, here are the previous iterations: Round 1: Brew Hoop Round 2: ClipsNation Round 3: 3 Shades of Blue Round 4: Sixers4Guidos Round 5: Pickaxe & Roll Round 6: Hardwood Paroxysm Round 7: CelticsBlog Round 8: TwolvesBlog Round 9: Hornets247 Click here to comment/view comments for this post. 04/03/2008 The Bobcats have now played 18 games since the release of Jeff McInnis - and they are not losers, which is not something we have been able to say about them often in the franchise's brief history. The Cats are 9 and 9 over those 18 games - even more impressively, 12 of those games were on the road. They went 5 and 7 in those road tilts, taking them from 4 road wins on the year to 9. To prove it was no fluke - the team's efficiencies during these 18 games: 106.7 points scored per 100 possessions, 106.9 points allowed per 100 possessions. Almost dead-even. 04/01/2008 As titled, this post would seem to indicate that I believe the Bobcats have 4 players to build on/around. Really, it should either have a question mark at the end, or maybe, well, a "...maybe". Because that is what I am curious about. Do the Bobcats have the foundation of a good team in place? Or are we destined to several more years of this purgatory that is "good lottery team"? And how to answer this? The same thing I (almost) always resort to: To the numbers. Bobcats versus Jazz Recap - 03/25/2008 03/26/2008 I am not ashamed to admit this...but I did not watch last night's game. I did not miss much, unless I was really a closet Jazz fan. If I were, I would have been really impressed by my team's amazing offensive performance. But I do not cheer for the Jazz...I cheer for the Bobcats - so that amazing offensive performance becomes a discouraging defensive one. What did the Jazz do? Only torch the Bobcats for their worst defensive outing of the year. 03/21/2008 After taking a hard look at his numbers, that cast a none too flattering light on Nazr, it seems only right that I follow that up with a similar look at Emeka. After all, they are competing (to a degree) for minutes - and, at this time, only one is under contract for next season. To the numbers:
Emeka has been pretty consistent with his scoring - between 15 and 17 all season, and his numbers for pps do not waver too significantly. His rebounding numbers are up and down - but even when they are down, they are still very good, so no complaint from me on that. My only complaints? He is a poor passer, with the consistently low assists. For the most part, I am ok with his number of turnovers - big men can struggle with that (see Shaq), but his 2.9 per 40 mins in February was a bit high for someone who is not an offensive focus. All in all, I like his consistency, and contributions across the board - points, boards, and blocks. But what about the ever important "team"? How is Charlotte faring with Emeka on the court (and off)? The results are somewhat surprising.
So, despite the relative consistency of Emeka - the team is all over the map. 3 months where they were better with him and 2 months where they were better, way, way better, without him. In December, that was in large part due to the inspired play of a recently acquired Nazr skewing the numbers. This month? Tough to explain how the defense is so markedly better with our best (only?) interior defender on the bench. Well, it looks to be a case of a small sample size - Emeka has not seen the bench much this month, on the court for about 2/3 of the available minutes. And in his absence, the most any other given lineup has played together? 10 minutes. Overall, 48 lineups have been used this month, sans Emeka, but all in very limited floor time together, totaling 168 minutes. With no other prominent lineup, the team seems to be matching up more based on the opponent, to good effect, as seen in the efficiency numbers for the month. Or, it could be a fluke, but it would be nice to think it might be competence. Since I noted the consistency of Emeka in looking at his numbers, it is worth noting a a fairly consistent impact he did have: 4 out of 5 months, the offense is worse with him on the court, and 3 out of 5 months, did not manage even a point per possession. Not totally Emeka's fault, as previously noted, he is not the focus of the offense, but still, not a terribly encouraging sign. Final thoughts: Emeka has been far more consistent than Nazr, though his overall impact on the team seems to be pretty fluid. And those two still do not seem to work well together - the team is at -10 points per 100 possessions on the season with them on the floor together. The team is still lacking the interior complement that Emeka needs - though what that might be is debatable, it seems clear that a 7ish footer that prefers to shoot mid-range jumpers, and does little defensively is not the answer, as Primoz and now Nazr have not clicked with Emeka. Sean May? George Hibbert? Brook Lopez? We shall see. Click here to comment/view comments for this post. 03/19/2008 A quick jump back to last week's game against Dallas - I know I have already done one of the briefest recaps ever (here) for this game, but despite only paying some attention to the game on the tv, I was still following the score online, just in case it got closer. And I remember noticing at the end of the 3rd quarter that as a team, Dallas was scoring about 1.5 points per shot. Which is incredible to me: No one on the Bobcats averages that, but as a team Dallas was at that mark. So, I assumed that this had to be among the Bobcats worst defensive performances of the year. I was wrong.
From those records, it seems the Bobcats are slightly better off when they pretend to be a great defensive team than a great offensive one (it has happened more often too, so perhaps a bit easier to imagine). One odd thing that I noticed when looking through all the efficiency numbers: When the Bobcats play at a faster pace, their defensive efficiency improves (decreases - and there was not a strong correlation between pace and defensive efficiency, but they have trended that way). This was not what I expected (I thought that as the game sped up, less energy would be focused/available on the defensive end) - and a quick glance around the league seems to validate my initial thought. Taking pace numbers and defensive efficiencies for each team in the league, the norm is for defensive efficiency to worsen as the pace increases (and with a significantly higher correlation than the Bobcats have shown). Again, not one of those things that I can explain, but interesting nonetheless. 03/17/2008 Well, it depends on what month the question was asked in. In December, Nazr was considered a godsend - he was outplaying Emeka and helped the Bobcats to a 3 and 5 record at the end of the month (yes, 3-5 is not good - but it is better than the team has been playing this year overall, so worth noting). Since that early euphoria, things have begun to tail off. Personally, I had not noticed - really, what is the difference between 16 points, 13 rebounds and 13 with 11?
Those are some significant declines in his scoring efficiency and his effort/success on the boards has dropped dramatically after an early rush. More telling - how the team's success has changed with him - number pairs shown are with/without pairs:
So, to answer the more recent question, what has Nazr been doing lately? Not much, helping the team lose, helping the NBA bring back high-scoring games (at least for the opposition), collecting a paycheck - a few possible answers. So, I guess to complete the title of the post - Nazr has been a ... disappointment. Click here to comment/view comments for this post. Bobcats vs. Mavs Recap - 3/12/08 03/15/2008 I just wanted to do a real quick recap of this game, even though it is a few days late. Why? Because of some tremendous quotes - not from players or anything, but my wife. She only watches games because I do - she likes sports, but not enough to sit down and watch a game on her own. But, since I came home and turned the game on Wednesday night (already into the 3rd quarter), she watched a bit. And here is what she said: "This is like watching high-schoolers play middle schoolers."With Nowitzki being guarded by Jared Dudley, Erick Dampier towering over Emeka, and Raymond looking up Jason Kidd's nose - Dallas had a distinct size advantage - aptly captured by her first comment. Her second - much more telling of what it is like to watch the Bobcats play this year: "Not only size-wise, but the way they are playing. It looks like they don't know what they are doing."It pretty much sums it up, doesn't it? Click here to comment/view comments for this post. 03/14/2008 No Foo Fighters this time...instead a link to a web version of the classic "BreakOut" game (called javanoid): Go break some bricks. Then come back and read this...or just read this - if you are only going to do one, stay here. Please.
The tallies: Good Teammate:So, there were some consistencies, or one anyway. And, umm...Nazr's performance in this requires some more investigation. I will follow-up on this in the near future. First thought: It does not bode well for the next 3 seasons. Jeez. Click here to comment/view comments for this post. 03/12/2008 Ok - so I was going to embed the video to "Breakout" by the Foo Fighters...but they apparently do not want me to do that - "Embedding disabled by request" is displayed on the official video page of youtube. So, here is the link - click on it to listen as you read this. The lyrics do not quite work - but the title of the song is close enough, and I just like the Foo Fighters.
Not sure if I should be surprised that Matt and Jared tied for best teammate - I have a feeling that this number is slightly skewed since they both just started getting more minutes recently (between McInnis' release and Gerald's injury) and some more variation might come back in as time goes by. It would have been nice to see Raymond's name show up in there; it would be tough, since he plays so many minutes - his numbers are going to be closer to the team average because of that - and the team has been so bad this year...still, it would have been nice. I might do this again but only allow the starters to be considered for the breakout teammate. They are the ones who are going to be playing - might as well focus more on them. Duly noted. Click here to comment/view comments for this post. 03/11/2008 Since I spent last night waxing eloguent (or what passes for it from me) about Kobe Bryant, it made me feel motivated to do something useful. Which I did this evening. Inspired by a short lived idea from kenpom.com, I have made a page that creates HD box scores for the Bobcats' games, available here: Box Scores for Stats Geeks. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
